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Pietro Masina's avatar

This is an excellent and thought-provoking essay. Stephen Brien succeeds in shifting the debate away from the familiar opposition between market-oriented reforms and state-led industrial policy, and toward a more fundamental question: what kinds of firms and behaviours the state actually rewards. His concept of a "governing orientation" is a particularly useful way of connecting macroeconomic performance, industrial outcomes, and political coalitions.

There are important points of convergence with my own work on Indonesia. I also argue that the country's developmental trajectory cannot be understood simply through the lens of policy choices or institutional design. The political foundations of growth matter, as do the interests and coalitions that shape state action. Stephen's emphasis on the inability—or unwillingness—of the New Order to discipline politically connected firms offers a powerful explanation for why Indonesia achieved remarkable growth and poverty reduction while failing to generate globally competitive national champions.

Where I would place a somewhat different emphasis is on the broader historical and social context of Indonesia's development. In my view, the weakness of domestic productive capabilities was not only a consequence of elite incentives and political settlements, but also of the way Indonesia was integrated into the global economy, the legacy of labour repression, and the limited development of institutions capable of fostering technological learning and innovation. The absence of effective firm-level discipline was certainly important, but it interacted with wider structural constraints.

Nevertheless, I believe Stephen's essay makes a significant contribution by bringing the discussion back to a crucial question that is often overlooked: not whether the state intervenes, but whether it can create incentives that reward productivity, learning, and technological upgrading rather than political proximity. It is a valuable contribution to the debate on why Indonesia's impressive developmental achievements stopped short of full industrial transformation.

Donald Robotham's avatar

Thus 'discilpining' firms, often presented as an innocently rational and technocratic act, in reality is a highly political one with grave, possibly fatal, consequences for the regime bold enough to attempt it. Safer to be satisfied with permanent middle income status!

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